Episode 17
The Missing Piece in Your Mental Health Journey : The Somatic healing
This podcast episode delves into the intricate relationship between somatic healing and trauma, elucidating the profound impact that childhood experiences can have on adult relationships and overall mental wellness. We engage with a distinguished psychologist who skillfully employs an eclectic therapeutic approach, integrating modalities such as cognitive-behavioral therapy, dialectical behavior therapy, and trauma-informed care. Through our dialogue, we explore the concept of somatic experiencing therapy, which emphasizes the mind-body connection and the significance of recognizing bodily responses to emotional stress. The discussion further highlights the importance of establishing a safe space for individuals to confront and process their traumas, ultimately facilitating healing and personal growth. As we navigate this complex terrain, we aim to foster a deeper understanding of how trauma manifests in the body and the therapeutic pathways available to individuals seeking relief and self-discovery.
The dialogue presented in this episode centers on the pivotal theme of somatic healing, wherein our guest, a distinguished psychologist, articulates the intricacies of integrating bodily awareness into therapeutic practices. This discussion underscores the importance of recognizing the mind-body connection, positing that our physical sensations are not merely byproducts of emotional experiences but are, in fact, integral to understanding and alleviating psychological distress. The psychologist elucidates the practice of 'sitting with' one's feelings, encouraging clients to develop an acute awareness of their bodily responses as a pathway to healing. This approach serves as a profound reminder of the importance of bodily awareness in the therapeutic journey, inviting listeners to reflect on their own experiences and the potential for healing through somatic engagement.
As the conversation progresses, we delve into the ramifications of childhood trauma, particularly how early adverse experiences can shape adult relationships and emotional regulation. Our guest draws upon her extensive research to highlight how neglect and other forms of childhood trauma can lead to long-lasting emotional consequences, influencing interpersonal dynamics well into adulthood. This segment is particularly poignant, as it invites listeners to introspectively examine their own histories and consider the patterns that may have emerged as a result of their formative experiences. The emphasis on empathy and understanding within this context is crucial, as it fosters a deeper appreciation for the complexities of human relationships and the importance of nurturing emotional health.
The episode culminates in a compelling discussion regarding the nature of trauma stored within the nervous system and the essential need for safety in therapeutic endeavors. Our guest thoughtfully articulates that trauma is not indicative of brokenness but rather a testament to the resilience of the human spirit. By advocating for a therapeutic framework that prioritizes safety and self-acceptance, she challenges the stigma often associated with seeking mental health support. This enlightening dialogue not only equips listeners with a richer understanding of somatic healing but also advocates for a cultural shift towards recognizing and normalizing the pursuit of mental wellness as a vital aspect of the human condition. The call to action is clear: we must embrace our experiences and seek the necessary support to foster healing and growth.
Takeaways:
- The podcast episode emphasizes the importance of understanding the mind-body connection in therapy, particularly through somatic experiencing.
- A seasoned psychologist discusses how childhood trauma can have profound effects on adult relationships and emotional regulation.
- The conversation highlights the necessity of creating a safe therapeutic environment for effective healing and personal growth.
- Listeners are encouraged to recognize that therapy is not solely for individuals with severe mental health issues, but a beneficial practice for everyone.
- The psychologist explains that trauma is often stored in the nervous system, manifesting in physical symptoms that can be addressed through therapy.
- The discussion underscores the vital role of empathy in addressing childhood trauma, advocating for gentle parenting as a means to nurture emotional well-being.
Transcript
Hey, guys, this is Shobhna.
Speaker A:Welcome back to Busy Free Mind, where we talk about mental wellness, diet and personal growth in a calm and safe space.
Speaker A:Today we are joined by a seasoned psychologist who uses an eclectic approach combining therapies like ibt, DBT and Trauma Informed care.
Speaker A:Her goal is to create a supportive environment where people can openly share their thoughts and feelings and learn practical tools for healing and growth.
Speaker A:Let's dive in.
Speaker A:Hey, Rishta, how are you?
Speaker B:I am good.
Speaker B:Shobna, how are you doing today?
Speaker A:I'm doing wonderful.
Speaker A:Thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker A:Tell us, how did you come into this field and what makes you to join this field?
Speaker B:I think it was a very long journey to reach here.
Speaker B:I was not initially a psychology student.
Speaker B:I started with a finance background and then I moved into different setups and it just didn't work out for me.
Speaker B:And then I landed here in psychology and it's just made.
Speaker B:It just made sense to me.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So that's how I landed up here.
Speaker B:I did my master's back in.
Speaker B: nk I completed my master's in: Speaker B:And from then on I've been working in this field, started my PhD.
Speaker B:So currently I'm pursuing my PhD, hoping to complete this year, so.
Speaker B:So yeah, that's how I landed in this field.
Speaker A:Awesome.
Speaker A:So what is somatic healing?
Speaker A:Because you are specialized in that area, we want to know more about what is somatic healing and how does that work.
Speaker B:So to be particularly specific, it is somatic experiencing therapy.
Speaker B:It is a type of therapeutic approach that combines bodily experiences with our mind.
Speaker B:So there is a mind body connection that we all keep on talking about.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Our mind is related to our body.
Speaker B:It functions according to that.
Speaker B:Therefore, somatic therapy basically says understanding our bodily responses to how we are experiencing the world helps us relieving a lot of stress that we are experiencing.
Speaker B:So basically in my sessions, I ask my clients, you must have heard about it, Sit with it, right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:A lot of therapists say sit with it.
Speaker B:What do we mean by that?
Speaker B:Is understanding what is happening in our body and then tapping onto those experiences to, of course, understand how we are feeling.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:If you ask the patient to sit in that moment, aren't they going through the same trauma again?
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker B:Yes, absolutely.
Speaker B:I think therapy, of course starts with understanding the experiences because that's how we understand our clients, by knowing their story, what happened with them.
Speaker B:So we are essentially sitting with the trauma, but we are sitting with it to relieve it, to not let it affect us anymore.
Speaker B:So that One sitting, particularly that one, reliving, then develops into some sort of coherence about what happened, why it happened, and to close the lid, basically.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:So how does the body remember stress?
Speaker B:In my experience and with the research backed up work, because I am a PhD scholar and that's how I work.
Speaker B:Body stores trauma in different parts of our experiences, like in the shoulders, in the chest.
Speaker B:So there's this particular session where I had with this client wherein I asked them to just touch, wherein they felt the stress.
Speaker B:And just by the touch of it, just by making it recognizable, the pain started to move.
Speaker B:It went down, then it went up.
Speaker B:We kept on touching it until it went away.
Speaker A:How do we know that it is going away when we touch?
Speaker B:So, for example, if you feel any heaviness throughout an experience.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:We feel the heaviness here.
Speaker B:So I ask my clients to just sit with it and hold their hand like this here.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:This means I am listening to you.
Speaker B:I am recognizing you.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:I'm making you feel seen.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:The moment we do that, the moment that experience happened, it is so magical that I've experienced it in multiple sessions.
Speaker B:And clients are also always in awe of what just happened.
Speaker A:But when stress is stored in different parts of the body and when you ask it to touch, how do we know that my stress is here or here?
Speaker A:How do the patients know that?
Speaker B:I just let them be in the moment for a second.
Speaker B:For example, some people experience it in their shoulders.
Speaker B:There is a lot of tension that we hold in our shoulders.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:That's a common experience.
Speaker B:Some people feel the heaviness.
Speaker B:So I don't focus on what you are experiencing, quite literally, just the heaviness part of it.
Speaker B:Some people feel it here, some people feel it in their legs.
Speaker B:Their legs might start shaking.
Speaker B:So it's very different person to person.
Speaker B:And it's just a very individualistic experience.
Speaker B:That's why therapy is individualistic, to understand how the client is experiencing that.
Speaker A:Yeah, but why do we feel tension in certain parts of the body?
Speaker A:Not all through the body.
Speaker B:I think it's more specific to how we are dealing with those things.
Speaker B:So, for example, I could have stress in my shoulders because of any physical reason as well.
Speaker B:So there is not particularly any reason why it gets stored into specific body parts, although there is more research and, of course, more sciences to it.
Speaker B:For example, a new research backed up studies are coming up wherein we are experiencing that some sort of trauma is stored here in our stomach.
Speaker B:Specific type of trauma.
Speaker B:And some sort of trauma we feel in Our shoulders, our backs, maybe our lower body part.
Speaker B:So it's more specific in nature with the coming research.
Speaker B:But as per what I have learned in psychology, right.
Speaker B:That is something.
Speaker B:It can be just anywhere.
Speaker B:It can pick up parts which are already very vulnerable in nature.
Speaker B:So for example, we are sitting up, we are holding our shoulders all the time, Right.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Now I'm not supported by, by my back, right.
Speaker B:So it could be a possible cause of that wherever we hold the tension.
Speaker B:I'll give you one small example.
Speaker B:Sometimes we hold tension in our teeth as well.
Speaker B:We are clenching our jaws, we don't know it.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Our dysregulated nervous system can look very different.
Speaker B:People who are eating, eating very fast, walking very fast, doing every task very fast and like hush, hush, hush, hush.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:That's how the trauma is stored.
Speaker B:That's how your nervous system is not regulated at all.
Speaker A:Oh, this is something new.
Speaker A:But as a commoner, I mean like a common people, they don't get to understand that whether it is a physical pain or stress.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Is there any way that they could find that?
Speaker A:No, it's just a stress or it's just my body pain.
Speaker A:Is there any way that people can get to know that this is a stress related pain?
Speaker B:I think when the pain moves, like I said, when the pain moves, when it is a psychological pain, you won't feel it in very one certain part.
Speaker B:This is a common experience that I'm talking about.
Speaker B:The pain moves here and there, right.
Speaker B:Sometimes you'll feel it in shoulder, but sometimes it will go back here.
Speaker B:And of course for more particular reasons, I always ensure that there is of course a medical person involved if there is any medical reason for it.
Speaker B:So I do ask my clients to also get in touch with their gps, right.
Speaker B:And get tested for any sort of problem they might feel they have.
Speaker B:So to cancel out all of those things.
Speaker B:Because holistic approach consists of understanding a lot of aspects, which includes medical ailments.
Speaker B:For example, sometimes people feel weakness due to deficiency of some vitamins.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:More particularly if I speak in India, a lot of people, I think half of the India is vitamin D and vitamin B12 deficient.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So that's something when we take medication for.
Speaker B:A lot of our body also feels control over ourselves.
Speaker B:So of course there is multiple approach to how we are doing therapy.
Speaker B:It's not just one particular thing what we are talking about.
Speaker B:It's much more than that.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker A:Can childhood trauma affect adult relationships to the most extent?
Speaker B:In my experience, because I work with childhood experiences a lot this is my experience particularly.
Speaker B:I have seen it affect a lot.
Speaker B:My research is purely based on these experiences because in the developmental stages of whatever you have seen, that is your prototype for life.
Speaker B:You're seeing your parents, you're seeing other people.
Speaker B:That is how you understand world.
Speaker B:So it is pretty natural to say that this is how somewhere a design to your life might be the kind of relationships that you see in front of you, the initial experiences of your parents and the experiences you have had with your parents.
Speaker B:So, for example, in one of my studies that I did recently, a type of childhood trauma is neglect.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:It was the highest form of reason due to which emotional dysregulation and sleep.
Speaker A:Issues occur in adulthood.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Oh, wow.
Speaker B:I did this research with 50 people.
Speaker B:I also did this research separately with six people detailed for one year.
Speaker B:And I had just these amazing results about somatic pain, which we are talking about.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:The pain that we experience, no medical cause for it.
Speaker B:So somatic pains and dysfunctional relationships also.
Speaker B:So a lot of childhood trauma does affect us in ways that we are not able to understand until we are tapping on it.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:But why does the body react before the mind understands it?
Speaker B:That's a very beautiful question.
Speaker B:I always make it a point to make my clients understand that.
Speaker B:So when we are born, our only basic reflexes are to cry, right?
Speaker B:To either respond with just a noise that we are making.
Speaker B:And with the body, we are not aware of words, we are not aware of any language.
Speaker B:Therefore, the innate nature of a human being is to respond with the body first.
Speaker A:Okay, yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker B:That's how we move towards understanding our body first.
Speaker B:Even while we are a child, even while we are an infant, we are very dependent on our bodily reflexes for our parents to understand what our needs are.
Speaker B:So that's why the body experiences this first, and then we are able to recognize what is happening.
Speaker B:More specifically, when we are having an experience which triggers certain part of our brains, we are left.
Speaker B:Left to regulate ourselves without our frontal lobe, which is this part which has all the thinking.
Speaker B:Yes, all the thinking, all the memory, all the cognition.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So we lose the control of this part when the emotional part gets activated.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So to gather the control back, it takes a lot of time.
Speaker B:Until then, your body is responding.
Speaker A:So is healing trauma about fixing yourself or feeling safe?
Speaker B:I think fixing is such a negative word to say.
Speaker B:I avoid using that at all times in my therapeutic setups because it reinstates the idea that you're broken when we are not.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Of course.
Speaker B:I think Safety is something that is a very important part when I take up in my sessions.
Speaker B:Because a lot of times people don't feel safe within their environment, in their childhoods, and then it keeps on going.
Speaker B:For the adult part, we are always very jittery in nature.
Speaker B:Some people are very jittery in nature.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Because there is no safety that is inculcated.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I think safety is something that is more important to look into rather than just with a notion of that I have to fix myself.
Speaker B:I have some particular clients who used to.
Speaker B:Who use these words, I want you to fix me.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then reinstate that.
Speaker B:That's not.
Speaker B:That's not something that we are doing here.
Speaker B:You're already a whole person right now.
Speaker B:And the experiences that we are having are just.
Speaker B:We're just reshifting the reality that you have experienced and making sense of it and creating safety side by side.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Is trauma stored in the nervous system?
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker B:I think when we are experiencing our thoughts, for example, these thoughts are not just there, right in our head.
Speaker B:These are proper neural pathways that are created for years.
Speaker B:Think of it like as bridges, small bridges that are in en numerous quantity in our brain.
Speaker B:So every time we are experiencing, and that is called the nervous system, it's filled with a lot of bridges.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So every action that you're doing is triggering that bridge to reinforce a behavior.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So when you are experiencing something, for example, I experienced a bad thing in my childhood and that caused me a lot of pain.
Speaker B:So whenever I, for example, friendships.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:I had very bad experiences with friendships.
Speaker B:So when I think of friendships, my pain, neural pathway triggers.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So both of these bridges are triggering and when they trigger together, they wire together like this.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:So if it is stored in the nervous system, it is initiated by some events that happened in our life.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So it's trauma always caused by a big events or just a simple thing that happened in our life and we are remembering for so long.
Speaker B:It's very individualistic to think about that.
Speaker B:I think to say that this trauma is small enough for a person is to negate their reality.
Speaker B:So I would never say it is any small event or any big event.
Speaker B:Trauma is very specific to nature.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:For example, I just spoke about neglect in childhood.
Speaker B:Neglect can look very simple in nature.
Speaker B:It could just be my parent not listening to me and I would feel neglected.
Speaker B:While that can be a very common experience in every household for a child at that time, that is them experiencing trauma.
Speaker B:That is them understanding the reality.
Speaker B:Maybe I'm not important.
Speaker B:Why isn't my parent listening to me?
Speaker B:So trauma is not more specifically with big events.
Speaker B:Although of course big events do cause trauma.
Speaker B:But it's not specific to only big events that we can feel trauma in our body.
Speaker A:When do we come to stress or therapy?
Speaker A:When we get so upset and when we get into the adulthood, that's when we realize that, yes, I'm in stress and I need some therapy to get relief of it.
Speaker A:As per your studies, as per your research, if it is caused during the childhood age, how do we know that the kid is suffering and how can we correct it at that particular age?
Speaker A:How do we know that?
Speaker B:So when people come to therapy, it's sort of like a bottleneck situation.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Things have piled up for so many years and we as humans in general are very far away from a trauma informed world.
Speaker B:That's what I like to call it.
Speaker B:We are, I see very less empathy.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So much of hate, so much of brutal experiences.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:For just existing.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B: etty sure we are aware of how: Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So there is very less empathy towards us human beings in general.
Speaker B:And children are not considered as human beings for what I've seen.
Speaker B:They're just considered a byproduct of us.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:I think empathy is the key.
Speaker B:When you empathize with a child, when you see that they are struggling, you provide comfort.
Speaker B:For example, when a child is making a mistake, to say children don't make mistakes.
Speaker B:When we're very little, we don't understand it's a mistake.
Speaker B:Yeah, we scold them.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Instead of making them understand, that's okay, we made a mistake, it happens.
Speaker B:You broke a glass, that's okay, let's clean it together.
Speaker B:That's what we call gentle parenting in today's words.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:But I think at the core of it, we are just empathizing with our children and understanding that they are also human beings.
Speaker B:They are having these experiences that they are going to take that forward.
Speaker B:It comes out when we are so unaware and it bottles up to the point when we are not able to take it anymore.
Speaker B:I recently had a client and they were not aware of whatever was bothering them so much about their family.
Speaker B:And they shared that they had experienced sexual abuse in their childhood.
Speaker B:And it came to them after a few sessions, after two months of therapy.
Speaker B:And they told me that, I don't know why I'm talking about this.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:How do I remember this?
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Now, because we opened those portals up, we gave them a space.
Speaker B:So therapy essentially is in general a space wherein you feel safe enough to come forward and then everything comes out and you're able to settle it down, you are able to pack it in places wherein it doesn't hurt anymore.
Speaker A:Wonderful.
Speaker A:What if trauma is not a mindset problem?
Speaker B:Yeah, it's not a mindset problem.
Speaker B:It is simply one's experiences and one reality.
Speaker B:And the more we try to believe people because in therapy a lot of times we feel that when we are able to recognize trauma, we are going to be very sensitive to everything around us.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:We are probably going to be selfish, we are probably going to blame our parents or people that raised us.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:But that's not the case.
Speaker B:There is a certain set of procedures.
Speaker B:So while you are looking at your own trauma, you try to experience and validate your own understanding, then you also humanize people who raised you because we see them as this authority figures that they can't make mistakes.
Speaker B:More specifically, sometimes if this narrative of, oh, that's my mother, right.
Speaker B:How can she do that to me?
Speaker B:She's a human, she's just a girl.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:At the end of the day.
Speaker B:So when we try fulfill this process, this whole end to end process, right.
Speaker B:That's how we are able to make sense of it.
Speaker B:That's when it we are able to understand that it's not about blaming people, it's not about this mindset, it's about what I experienced.
Speaker B:I have comforted myself.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And then it's okay to give that empathy to other people, Extend that empathy to other people as well.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Can we say that the trauma is a collection of memories that is stored in our subconscious mind?
Speaker B:Yes, absolutely.
Speaker B:Every experiences that we are having are memories in nature.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Every experiences, it is stored in our nervous system.
Speaker B:So yes, to say it is.
Speaker B:Yes, it is our memory and which can be fogged by the way, and we can have different experiences.
Speaker B:So sometimes people, when they're talking about their own reality, they question it a lot.
Speaker B:Because memory, there's this certain theory which talks about how we lose our memory bit by bit.
Speaker B:So as the time increases, our experience also gets distorted, so our memory also gets distorted.
Speaker B:But we have some sense of what happens and which connects the dot to because we experience it in our body, we remember that that's how it has happened to us.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:But can't we erase it with good, good memories during the adulthood or therapy is the only way to clear those off?
Speaker B:I wouldn't say therapy is the only way, I think I work with a lot of clients who have spiritual inclination, who have probably inclination towards manifestation, who have inclination towards working on their goals.
Speaker B:So it's not just one way to say that therapy is the only way.
Speaker B:There are multiple approaches.
Speaker B:Faith is, for example, one way wherein a lot of people feel an ease.
Speaker B:They have made sense of their own world.
Speaker B:So while I say that, I don't mean having positive experience can negate whatever you experienced.
Speaker B:So, for example, there is this glass.
Speaker B:There is dirt all over here.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:You put ice cream on the top.
Speaker B:Will that remove the taste of the dirt?
Speaker A:It will still be there.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:So what if healing doesn't mean reliving the past?
Speaker B:I agree to that partially.
Speaker B:I think we have to sit with it once and for all.
Speaker B:And that's one reliving.
Speaker B:If you do that one reliving, right, you stop reliving it for the rest of your life.
Speaker B:Either you do it with a therapist, either you do it with a healer, either you do it spiritually, either you do it with a mentor.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:I think the goal here, which I always talk to people about, is to just talk, talk it out, talk it out with the right people, people who are understanding of your nature.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:While I'm a very big promoter of therapy, I go to therapy myself.
Speaker B:And I think that's something that I promote because it changes a lot about you.
Speaker B:It grounds you in a way that I think everyone should experience therapy once if it is right for you or not.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:That's a separate thing altogether.
Speaker B:But I think there are multiple ways.
Speaker B:And once you sit with that, once you're able to recognize, compartmentalize it, probably then you're not reliving it again and again.
Speaker B:But one reliving is needed to validate your experiences.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:When it comes to mental therapy, people think that, oh, my God, this is a big problem.
Speaker A:I have some mental issues.
Speaker A:That's when I have to go to therapy.
Speaker A:But as per your idea or thought, but, you know, therapy is mandatory for everyone because every one of us has some kind of stress, either from childhood or adulthood, and it is stored in some part of our nervous system.
Speaker A:So to those people, what do you want to say?
Speaker B:I think the only thing that I can say is if you were to sit with a person who was genuinely listening to you without the tag of therapy, would you talk to them?
Speaker B:Would you share things?
Speaker B:When we get the space with those friends that we are very close to, we are able to share every experience, but sometimes we don't get the response that we need.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:That's why it feels very incomplete in nature.
Speaker B:Therapy can be a space to find yourself back as well.
Speaker B:It is not just about experiencing trauma and then, you know, relieving that stress.
Speaker B:It is also about yesterday only.
Speaker B:I had a client, she was speaking about that.
Speaker B:I think all my life, I have lived my life in a certain way, which was by pleasing other people around me.
Speaker B:I don't know, I just want to find myself back.
Speaker B:And that's the motto of my therapy, is just finding yourself back.
Speaker B:Because as we grow, as we become adults, we leave all of those things that make us us.
Speaker B:It's a very conscious effort that a lot of people make to keep that part of ourselves very intact.
Speaker B:But therapy is just simply a way of finding yourself back.
Speaker B:And to say it shouldn't be like mandatory in nature, but I think one experience of therapy is always very interesting to have.
Speaker B:I've had clients who maybe had one session, two sessions years back.
Speaker B:They reach out to me still in this New Year's, I recently got so many messages of my clients thanking me, thanking this experience that, you know, how it has shifted for them.
Speaker B:So that is a proof, you know, the therapy really works.
Speaker B:And it is not just about relieving a trauma.
Speaker B:It is not just about relieving your stress.
Speaker B:It is just about sometimes experiencing that space wherein you feel fully yourself.
Speaker A:Beautiful.
Speaker A:I just think people like, I mean, psychologists like you should come and create this awareness that therapy is not something bad and it is essential for everyone and it is an experience to.
Speaker A:I think there should be a change in mindset of us about this mental therapy.
Speaker A:It is.
Speaker A:It's like when we get common cold or flu, we are going to Dr.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So it's like a.
Speaker A:It's like that.
Speaker A:So I wish people would understand this.
Speaker A:And thank you so much.
Speaker A:Beautiful answers you gave.
Speaker A:Thank you so much, viewers.
Speaker A:I hope you got so many beautiful answers about somatic healing, what is trauma and how to identify the stress in our body.
Speaker A:And I will connect you with a more interesting topic in the next in the coming weeks.
Speaker A:Thank you so much.
Speaker A:Thank you so much, Nishta.
Speaker B:Thank you, Shobna.
Speaker B:Thank you for having me.
